23 December 2007 9 Comments

Senator Inhofe: Please define “Prominent Scientist”.

James InhofeJames Inhofe of Oklahoma, the ranking minority member of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, has published a 110 page report titled “Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007“.

The report is introduced with:

Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called “consensus” on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.

Many bloggers are using this report’s existence (but not its contents) to support their own positions that climate change is a myth. Seeing that, I think it is important to point out that the report is focused on objections to the idea of consensus on human activity’s role in global warming and not on the existence of climate change itself. If they were to limit the report to scientists who deny that climate change is occurring they would not be able to use a number like 400 in the title.

To put that full 400 number in perspective, the breakdown of the IPCC makeup is over 2500 scientific expert reviewers, more than 800 contributing authors, and more than 450 lead authors. When reading the report you will see that the few ’skeptics’ that have any affiliation with the IPCC come from the largest subset – the ’scientific expert reviewers’ – and not the contributing authors or lead authors.

I think reading the report, with Google at hand so you can check the context of the quotes used in the report, is a worthwhile endeavor; however, I don’t see many people doing that. I first learned of the report in a recent long discussion thread on BlogCatalog.com started by globalgirl. The existence of this report, posted by the ranking minority member of the EPW committee on his blog,  is cited as evidence against the reality of climate change.  People who mentioned it seemed to take the mere existence of the report as more important than its content.

Like all areas of life, not all ‘experts’ are created equal.The first featured ’skeptic’ is atmospheric scientist, Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem who focuses on these four points:

  1. This is not the first time temperatures have changed historically.
  2. Our ability to make realizable (or even sensible) future forecasts
  3. The long term rising of CO2 in the atmosphere over time. Specifically because he believes that the ocean might be able to absorb more CO2 than it currently does.
  4. Long term CO2 rises from fossil fuels.

He appears to be a Peak Oil believer who says:

“the inventory of fossil fuels is fairly limited and in one generation we will run out of oil. Coal and natural gas might take 100-­200 years but with no oil their consumption will increase so they probably won’t last as long. The real alternative that presently available to humanity is nuclear power (that can easily produce electricity for domestic and industrial usage and for transportation when our vehicles are reverted to run on electricity). The technology for this exists today and can replace our dependence on fossil fuel in a decade! This has to be made known to the general public who is unaware of the alternative for taking action to lower the anthropogenic spewing of CO2. This transformation to nuclear energy will probably take place when oil reserves dwindle regardless of the CO2 situation.”

No climate scientists deny that we have historically had warming periods in the past. So, what Dr. Nathan Paldor is actually saying is that we have problems forecasting changes to our climate, but that even if CO2 is a problem, it will go away because we will eventually run out of burnable petroleum, coal, and natural gas. This does not sound to me like someone who is rejecting the IPCC report entirely, instead he questions predictions based on current trends because he does not see our current energy usage patterns as sustainable.

Next, the report features Dr. Denis G. Rancourt, Professor of Physics and an Environmental Science researcher at the University of Ottawa is skeptical about climate change being the greatest environmental risk to humanity. He is quoted very much out of context in the report.

The quote in the report comes from a blog entry he wrote. I suspect that he was quoted mainly due to his use of the phrase: “global warming myth” which will leave many readers feeling that he is calling global warming itself a myth. In fact, as he defines it in his blog post, the “global warming myth” is based on the idea that “global warming” is the most pressing concern facing the world. The myth part is in reference to its proper placement in a prioritized list of problems and not its existence.

The entire segment that includes the portion quoted in the report is (the part included in the report is in italics):

The main arguments I hear from environmentalists are: (1) that even if we are not attacking a root cause, forcing all to burn less fossil fuels will slow down humankind’s otherwise unimpeded destruction of the planet and (2) concentrating on this issue has much educational value and will help sensitize members of the public who may then later go a further step.

I don’t agree with either of the latter positions.

On the “global warming issue as education” front, I again argue the opposite: That promoting the global warming myth trains people to accept unverified, remote, and abstract dangers in the place of true problems that they can discover for themselves by becoming directly engaged in their workplace and by doing their own research and observations. It trains people to think lifestyle choices (in relation to CO2 emission) rather than to think activism in the sense of exerting an influence to change societal structures. The first involves finding a comfort zone consistent with one’s values whereas the latter involves accepting confrontation and risk in order to challenge power structures. The first is needed for welfare, as are community, friendship, etc., while the second is needed to create sanity and justice in an insane world.

In that sense, the global warming myth is a powerful tool of co-optation that has even eroded one of the most fertile grounds of political activism: the environmental movement.

Later in the post he says:

The media are allowed to talk global warming because it does not threaten power in any significant way. Indeed, it deflects attention away from real world issues. It’s perfect. The scientists can debate it. The environmental activists are largely neutralized. Everyone thinks it’s about CO2. The economists can work out the carbon credits. The politicians can talk environment without actually saying anything. Those who want to do something can change their consumer habits. The others can just ignore it and continue chatting about the weather.

So you can see his skepticism is based on the social effects of focusing on climate change to the exclusion of other issues. I’d highly recommend reading his entire blog post to better understand his position on climate change.

Since the press, and most people, will probably limit their reading to the summary introduction where many people from all over the world are briefly quoted and highlighted, lets look at a few of the people on that list. The report has this to say about its experts cited in the report:

The distinguished scientists featured in this new report are experts in diverse fields, including: climatology; oceanography; geology; biology; glaciology; biogeography; meteorology; oceanography; economics; chemistry; mathematics; environmental sciences; engineering; physics and paleoclimatology. Some of those profiled have won Nobel Prizes for their outstanding contribution to their field of expertise and many shared a portion of the UN IPCC Nobel Peace Prize with Vice President Gore.

Boris WinterhalterDr. Boris Winterhalter, retired Senior Marine Researcher of the Geological Survey of Finland and former professor of marine geology at University of Helsinki. His own biographic page points out his expertise and career is founded on his responsibility “To develop, coordinate, and conduct marine geological research in cooperation with colleagues from the Geological Survey of Finland and other national institutions and to continue to improve international cooperation and relations with colleagues abroad.” and not on climate science or the “effect of solar winds on cosmic radiation” that he is cited as a possible alternate set of factors affecting climate. I am sure that Dr. Winterhalter is fine in his area of expertise, but I think someone studying the ocean floor should be quoted in his own area and not on solar winds. On his website he writes about his frustration with media hype on the easy to communicate singular focus on CO2 instead of recognizing the extreme complexity of climate science.

Khandekar Madhav Khandekar, a Ph.D meteorologist, a scientist with the Natural Resources Stewardship Project. The report doesn’t give any information about the Natural Resources Stewardship Project.

The Natural Resources Stewardship Project was registered as a Canadian corporation on October 21, 2005 with the address of 263 Roncesvalles Avenue Suite 2, Toronto, Ontario M6R2L9. That is the exact same address as The High Park Advocacy Group, Inc. The High Park Group is a “Toronto based public affairs and policy consulting firm,” according to its website. According to the Lobbyists Registration System, Government of Canada, HPG is registered as a lobbying firm for several energy industry clients and The Ottawa, Ontario, Yellow Pages lists HPG as “Government Relations Consultants”. HPG is a registered lobbyist for Areva Canada Inc. (the Areva Group is the world’s largest nuclear power company), ARISE Technologies Corporation (a Canadian-based public solar technology company), Canadian Electricity Association, and the Canadian Gas Association.

Tom Harris, Executive Director of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project, is the former Ottawa Director of the High Park Group (HPG). Harris has written several articles that dispute the science backing the Kyoto Protocol and other schemes to “stop climate change” through the reduction of human emissions of carbon dioxide. Prior to HPG, Harris was employed by APCO Worldwide and organized a press conference in Ottawa that included Dr. Madhav Khandekar.

Dr. Kelvin Kemm

Dr. Kelvin Kemm, formerly a scientist at South Africa’s Atomic Energy Corporation. Dr Kelvin Kemm is currently a Business Strategy Consultant and runs his own company, Stratek, based in Pretoria. It networks many varied facets of society in the interests of economic development. In 1994 Dr Kemm was appointed to the International Board of Advisors of the Washington DC-based environment and technology lobby group; The Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) – he still holds that position. CFACT touts itself as a conservative answer to the Public Interest Research Groups (e.g. NYPIRG, ConnPIRG et al.), progressive lobbying groups concerned with environmental issues. Unlike the progressive groups that get most of their funding from grassroots efforts on campuses, CFACT gets much of its funding from industry groups including Chevron and ExxonMobil as well as The Carthage Foundation, one of the conservative Scaife Family foundations.

Ian Plimer Dr. Ian Plimer, a professor of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of Adelaide in Australia. Dr. Plimer is an interesting guy that I’d love to have dinner with. He is famous as an outspoken critic of creationism and is famous for a debate with creationist Duane Gish in which he asked his opponent to hold live electrical cables to prove that electromagnetism was ‘only a theory’.

Plimer is also critical of what he sees as irrational elements within the environmental movement. He is critical of greenhouse gas politics and argues that extreme environmental changes are inevitable and unavoidable. He suggests that meteorologists have a huge amount to gain from climate change research, and that they have narrowed the climate change debate to the atmosphere – Plimer claims that the truth is more complex. He suggests that money would be better directed to dealing with problems as they occur rather than making expensive and futile attempts to prevent climate change. His criticism of climate change science is NOT about whether the climate is changing or not. Instead he takes a pragmatic approach that suggests dealing with the effects is better than trying to prevent change.

Dr. Richard Courtney, a UN IPCC expert reviewer and a UK-based climate and atmospheric science consultant. Richard Courtney limits his skepticism to the human caused aspect of climate change. He is a Technical Editor for CoalTrans International (journal of the international coal trading industry), but he is not a scientist. Courtney is often referred to without any academic degree, even if others are in the same document. For example, the ESEF member list of 1998 where he is not listed as a ‘Academic Member’ but as a ‘Business Member’.

Richard Courtney was one of the speakers at the conference in Leipzig in 1995 organized by the European Academy for Environmental Affairs and the Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) which resulted in the Leipzig Declaration on Global Climate Change. In his speech he stated that he couldn’t find any negative sides of the announced global warming. Courtney was amongst the first group of people who signed the declaration that begins with: “As independent scientists concerned with atmospheric and climate problems, we…”. After complaints that many people who were listed as those who signed it were no scientists at all, SEPP made a new list which no longer mentions Courtney.

David Wojick Dr. David Wojick is a UN IPCC expert reviewer, who earned his PhD in Philosophy of Science and co-founded the Department of Engineering and Public Policy at Carnegie-Mellon University. David E. Wojick is a well-known and vocal climate change “skeptic”, with strong links to the coal industry and a now-defunct coal industry front group called the Greening Earth Society.

Wojick has been described as a journalist and policy analyst. According to a search of 22,000 academic journals, Wojick has not published any research in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject of climate change. Wojick is listed as “contributing editor” ” to Environment and Climate News, a publication of the Heartland Institute, a US think tank at the forefront of the attack on climate change science. Heartland has received over half a million in funding from ExxonMobil, the largest oil company in the world. Wojick lists the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy as some of his former “clients”.

Wojick is listed among Natural Resources Stewardship Project’s “Allied Experts” as an “Independent journalist and policy analyst, specializing in Kyoto issues”. (The Natural Resources Stewardship Project was profiled in the above section on Madhav Khandekar.)

I could go on and on about the “Over 400 Prominent Scientists” that lend their collective existence to the title of this report, but I think any readers who have made it this far get the idea. This report is a desperate attempt to keep alive the idea that we don’t know enough about climate science to make valid and responsible public policy.

Many of the 400+ experts in the report do not debate that our climate is changing and the earth is warming. How we should address the problem is still up for debate and I don’t think that is remotely controversial. Maybe Dr. Plimer is right, and we are in no position to be able to stop or slow changes in our climate and we should instead focus on mitigating the results of that change. This report is one of the most dishonest documents, in both its content and its presentation, that I have ever read and the fact that it is hosted on a web server belonging to the US Government makes me ashamed

I am equally ashamed that a US politician would use his position on a Senate committee to do such a disservice to the scientists included in the report. Many of them, I am sure, have a lot to teach us and will be strong voices of rationality in the coming years. Those voices must be supported and held aloft to ensure that real scientific discourse is never silenced and is allowed to play its role as it has in the past. Lumping real scientists, backed by real science, who voice opposition to the simplistic CO2 driven climate change narrative do not deserve to have their words lumped in with lobbyists and industry friendly ‘experts’ the way they have been in this report.

9 Responses to “Senator Inhofe: Please define “Prominent Scientist”.”

  1. Reviews 4 January 2008 at 1:37 am #

    JD Edit: I do not make a habit of editing comments, but I wanted to make sure readers were clear on this one since it took me a moment to decipher. The commenter is pasting from the opening of this blog post in which Tom Harris the Executive Director of Natural Resources Stewardship Project – an energy industry front group that masquerades as environmentalists – shows his true colors.


    http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=73474&start=15

    “I completely agree with fourhorses that the ultimate aim is to create a situation where the CPC can say assertively, “The science no longer supports the assumptions of the Kyoto Accord.”

    However, politically this cannot be done overnight without the Conservatives taking what they consider to be an unacceptable hit (do people think they would really lose votes with this statement (from Canadians who would otherwise vote for them, that is?).

    So, the solution put on this site a little while ago by Tina is one I would support as well – namely, they don’t take sides at all and admit they don’t know and so are holding unbiased, public hearings in which scientists from both sides are invited to testify. The resulting chaos, with claims all over the map, will do enough to thoroughly confuse everyone (which is appropriate, actually, since the science is so immature and, frankly, confusing) and take the wind out of the sails of the “we are causing a climate disaster and must stop it” camp entirely, and the CPC can quietly turn to important issues without really having had to say much at all.

    What’s wrong with this approach?

    Sincerely,
    Tom Harris, Executive Director, Natural Resources Stewardship Project
    Web: http://www.nrsp.com

  2. Anna 24 December 2007 at 2:36 pm #

    Hey any time JD. Yes I am from Canada, and I do to love Canada, it is so big, plus I think we spoiled too, even though lot of people complain. PEI is nice, never been there, but it is on the list. So what you have been running away from, lol. Have a good one, Anna :)

  3. brewski 24 December 2007 at 2:28 pm #

    Specifically, the “consensus” about anthropogenic climate change entails the following:

    1) the climate is undergoing a pronounced warming trend beyond the range of natural variability;
    2) the major cause of most of the observed warming is rising levels of the greenhouse gas CO2;
    3) the rise in CO2 is the result of burning fossil fuels;
    4) if CO2 continues to rise over the next century, the warming will continue; and
    5) a climate change of the projected magnitude over this time frame represents potential danger to human welfare and the environment.

    These conclusions have been explicitly endorsed by:

    Academia Brasiliera de Ciências (Bazil)
    Royal Society of Canada
    Chinese Academy of Sciences
    Academié des Sciences (France)
    Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
    Indian National Science Academy
    Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
    Science Council of Japan
    Russian Academy of Sciences
    Royal Society (United Kingdom)
    National Academy of Sciences (United States of America)
    Australian Academy of Sciences
    Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
    Caribbean Academy of Sciences
    Indonesian Academy of Sciences
    Royal Irish Academy
    Academy of Sciences Malaysia
    Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
    Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

    In addition to these national academies, the following institutions specializing in climate, atmosphere, ocean, and/or earth sciences have endorsed these conclusions:

    NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS)
    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
    National Academy of Sciences (NAS)
    State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC)
    Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
    Royal Society of the United Kingdom (RS)
    American Geophysical Union (AGU)
    American Institute of Physics (AIP)
    National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
    American Meteorological Society (AMS)
    Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)

    These organizations also agree with the consensus:

    The Earth Institute at Columbia University
    Northwestern University
    University of Akureyri
    University of Iceland
    Iceland GeoSurvey
    National Centre for Atmospheric Science UK
    Climate Group
    Climate Institute
    Climate Trust
    Wuppertal Institute for Climate Environment and Energy
    Royal Meteorological Society
    Community Research and Development Centre Nigeria
    Geological Society of London
    Geological Society of America
    UK Centre for Social and Economic Research on the Global Environment
    Pew Center on Global Climate Change
    American Association for the Advancement of Science
    National Research Council
    Juelich Research Centre
    US White House
    US Council on Environmental Quality
    US Office of Science Technology Policy
    US National Climatic Data Center
    US Department of Commerce
    US National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service
    The National Academy of Engineering
    The Institute of Medicine
    UK Natural Environment Research Council
    Office of Science and Technology Policy
    Council on Environmental Quality
    National Economic Council
    Office of Management and Budget
    The National Academy of Engineering
    The Institute of Medicine
    UK Natural Environment Research Council
    Australian Government Bureau of Meteorology
    Engineers Australia
    American Chemical Society
    American Association of Blacks in Energy
    World Petroleum Council
    The Weather Channel
    National Geographic

    The following companies agree with the consensus:

    ABB
    Air France
    Alcan
    Alcoa
    Allian
    American Electric Power
    Aristeia Capital
    BASF
    Bayer
    BP America Inc.
    Calvert Group
    Canadian Electricity Association
    Caterpilliar Inc.
    Centrica
    Ceres
    Chevron
    China Renewable
    Citigroup
    ConocoPhillips
    Covanta Holding Corporation
    Deutsche Telekom
    Doosan Babcock Energy Limited
    Duke Energy
    DuPont
    EcoSecurities
    Electricity de France North America
    Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand
    Endesa
    Energettech Austraila Pty Ltd
    Energy East Corporation
    Energy Holding Romania
    Energy Industry Association
    Eni
    Eskorn
    ETG International
    Exelon Corporation
    ExxonMobil
    F&C Asset Management
    FPL Group
    General Electric
    German Electricity Association
    Glitnir Bank
    Global Energy Network Institute, Iberdrola
    ING Group
    Institute for Global Environmental Strategies
    Interface Inc.
    International Gas Union
    International Paper
    International Power
    Marsh & McLennan Companies
    Massachusetts Municipal Wholesale Electric Company
    MEDIAS-France
    MissionPoint Capital Partners
    Munich Re
    National Grid
    National Power Company of Iceland
    NGEN mgt II, LLC
    NiSource
    NRG Energy
    PG&E Corporation
    PNM Resources
    Reykjavik Energy
    Ricoh
    Rio Tinto Energy Services
    Rockefeller Brothers Fund
    Rolls-Royce
    Societe Generale de Surveillance (SGS Group)
    Stora Enso North America
    Stratus Consulting
    Sun Management Institute
    Swiss Re
    UCG Partnership
    US Geothermal
    Verde Venture Partners
    Volvo

    In addition, the scientific consensus is also endorsed by the CEO’s of the following companies:

    A. O. Smith Corporation
    Abbott Laboratories
    Accenture Ltd.
    ACE Limited
    ADP
    Aetna Inc.
    Air Products and Chemicals, Inc.
    AK Steel Corporation
    Alcatel-Lucent
    Allstate Insurance Company
    ALLTEL Corporation
    Altec Industries, Inc.
    American Electric Power Company, Inc.
    American Express Company
    American International Group, Inc.
    Ameriprise Financial
    AMR Corporation/American Airlines
    Anadarko Petroleum Corporation
    Apache Corporation
    Applera Corporation
    Arch Coal, Inc.
    Archer Daniels Midland Company
    ArvinMeritor, Inc.
    AstraZeneca Pharmaceuticals LP
    Avery Dennison Corporation
    Avis Budget Group, Inc.
    Bechtel Group, Inc.
    BNSF Railway
    Boeing Company
    Brink’s Company
    CA
    Carlson Companies, Inc.
    Case New Holland Inc.
    Ceridian Corporation
    Chemtura Corporation
    Chubb Corporation
    CIGNA Corporation
    Coca-Cola Company
    Constellation Energy Group, Inc.
    Convergys Corporation
    Con-way Incorporated
    Corning Incorporated
    Crane Co.
    CSX Corporation
    Cummins Inc.
    Deere & Company
    Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu
    Delphi Corporation
    Dow Chemical Company
    Eastman Chemical Company
    Eastman Kodak Company
    Eaton Corporation
    EDS
    Eli Lilly and Company
    EMC Corporation
    Ernst & Young, L.L.P.
    Fannie Mae
    FedEx Corporation
    Fluor Corporation
    FMC Corporation
    Freddie Mac
    General Mills, Inc.
    General Motors Corporation
    Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.
    Goodrich Corporation
    Harman International Industries, Inc.
    Hartford Financial Services Group
    Home Depot, Inc., The
    Honeywell International, Inc.
    HSBC – North America
    Humana Inc.
    IBM Corporation
    Ingersoll-Rand Company
    International Textile Group
    ITT Corporation
    Johnson Controls, Inc.
    JP Morgan Chase & Co.
    KPMG LLP
    Liberty Mutual Group
    MassMutual
    MasterCard Incorporated
    McGraw-Hill Companies
    McKesson Corporation
    MeadWestvaco Corporation
    Medco Health Solutions, Inc.
    Merck & Co., Inc.
    Merrill Lynch & Company, Inc.
    MetLife, Inc.
    Morgan Stanley
    Motorola, Inc.
    Nasdaq Stock Market, Inc.
    National Gypsum Company
    Nationwide
    Navistar International Corporation
    New York Life Insurance Company
    Norfolk Southern Corporation
    Northwestern Mutual Life Insurance Company
    Nucor Corporation
    NYSE Group, Inc.
    Office Depot, Inc.
    Owens Corning (Reorganized) Inc.
    Pactiv Corporation
    Peabody Energy Corporation
    Pfizer Inc
    PPG Industries, Inc.
    Praxair, Inc.
    PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP
    Principal Financial Group
    Procter & Gamble Company
    Prudential Financial
    Realogy Corporation
    Rockwell Automation, Inc.
    Ryder System, Inc.
    SAP America, Inc.
    Sara Lee Corporation
    SAS Institute Inc.
    Schering-Plough Corporation
    Schneider National, Inc.
    ServiceMaster Company
    Siemens Corporation
    Southern Company
    Springs Global US, Inc.
    Sprint Nextel
    St. Paul Travelers Companies, Inc.
    State Farm Insurance Companies
    Tenneco
    Texas Instruments Incorporated
    Textron Incorporated
    Thermo Fisher Scientific Inc.
    TIAA-CREF
    Tyco Electronics
    Tyco International Ltd.
    Union Pacific Corporation
    Unisys Corporation
    United Technologies Corporation
    UnitedHealth Group Incorporated
    USG Corporation
    Verizon Communications
    W.W. Grainger, Inc.
    Western & Southern Financial Group
    Weyerhaeuser Company
    Whirlpool Corporation
    Williams Companies, Inc.
    Xerox Corporation
    YRC Worldwide Inc

    I’ll take this “consensus” over the 400 “scientists” handpicked by Sen Inhofe for his minority skeptics report.

  4. Techfun 24 December 2007 at 12:43 am #

    Thanks Anna. You are from Canada? I LOVE Canada. Spent a year on PEI as a teenage runaway.

    Happy Holidays to you too and I hope 2008 is great for you.

    As far as the work, I only tend to post about stuff that I care about and I like to be complete which takes time. I hope to have more time to put into posting and reading other blogs after the holidays.

  5. Anna 23 December 2007 at 11:26 pm #

    Hi JD wow you put so much work into your post. However, I know that we have not really visited each other’s blogs and only converse few times on Will’s blog, but I would like to wish you happy holiday’s and happy new year 2008, all the best and I see you around. Anna :)

  6. Techfun 23 December 2007 at 9:50 pm #

    Yep! SourceWatch is great for looking into this stuff.

  7. reviewer 23 December 2007 at 9:32 pm #

    One way to be prominent: edit your description.

    Here is where the T. Harris mentioned above was caught:

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Harris

  8. Will 23 December 2007 at 6:18 pm #

    Hey JD! This is a really well written and researched article. As you know from reading the latest post on my site, I am not a fan at all of all the politics and bickering that accompanies thoughts on the state of the planet and our human contribution to that state. But this was well worth the read!

    I had seen that thread started by Global Girl keep popping up at the top of the Blog Catalog Discussions. I had not looked at it as I figured it was probably just another boring, polarizing, debate on the merits of Gore, his book, and his film. Because of your mention of it, I went over there and read through it. The thread was actually quite an interesting read and mostly very civil throughout. BC is turning into a very good community of people.

    And I agree that Dr. Ian Plimer would be a fascinating dinner guest.

    -Will


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